tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8492685525705691186.post2887090452473174803..comments2024-03-27T11:44:15.723-04:00Comments on The Retrogrouch: 10 or 11? Does it Really Matter?Brookshttp://www.blogger.com/profile/12110998345857993287noreply@blogger.comBlogger14125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8492685525705691186.post-40990930059963930852021-05-20T03:59:03.124-04:002021-05-20T03:59:03.124-04:00been enjoying 10-speeds for years. built a grave...been enjoying 10-speeds for years. built a gravel bike this summer on an 11-speed groupo and in just 1000 miles the shifters stopped moving the chain into low gears. no damage to the rear derailleur or shifters. not cable fray and nothing visibly off about the chain route or jockey wheels. only thing i did was back the bike up to park at my destination and i felt tension in doing so and the cassette made clicking sounds. then when i hopped on to ride home, KABLAM! the shifter would no work to shift into larger rings. so i can only attribute this to the 11-speed set up. very disappointed and worry that something will snap in my shifter and render the bike useless until a new shifter set can be acquired. Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05864904130567416641noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8492685525705691186.post-40288835440944598142015-07-12T17:05:03.744-04:002015-07-12T17:05:03.744-04:00The first advice on cyclo-cross equipment I got wa...The first advice on cyclo-cross equipment I got was to use 5-speed and 120mm rear wheel as it was more durable. Definitely not the 7-seed freewheels as it was too easy for grass, corn stalks, etc. to get jammed between the cogs. Totally agree with the problems of thin cogs and chains, commuter 3-speeds used 1/2 X 1/8 for a reason.cdostalehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12922769689635823167noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8492685525705691186.post-66223981019685400122015-07-09T19:08:35.210-04:002015-07-09T19:08:35.210-04:00I would guess that if you had 7 x 3 set up as a ha...I would guess that if you had 7 x 3 set up as a half step, you'd be able to get some fairly closely spaced ratios and potentially a fairly wide range, which is the advantage of the modern 10 and 11 systems, but you'd do a lot more shifting at the front. Would it be equal? I don't know if I could answer that -- maybe someone else will chime in?Brookshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12110998345857993287noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8492685525705691186.post-77576848240075986032015-07-09T17:21:54.425-04:002015-07-09T17:21:54.425-04:00As far as the spread of the gearing, is it similar...As far as the spread of the gearing, is it similar to having a half step. Lets say I have a half step and a third chainring, not specifically a granny gear. Would this 11 with a double be equal?teamdarbhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10730985048207207697noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8492685525705691186.post-49066643800603264072015-07-09T17:15:19.630-04:002015-07-09T17:15:19.630-04:00That advice about 5 - 8 gears being plenty is prob...That advice about 5 - 8 gears being plenty is probably BOTH Grant Petersen and Jobst Brandt.Brookshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12110998345857993287noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8492685525705691186.post-22060096375976163722015-07-09T17:13:55.738-04:002015-07-09T17:13:55.738-04:00less shifting on the front?less shifting on the front?Brookshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12110998345857993287noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8492685525705691186.post-8862918331825991932015-07-09T16:55:08.228-04:002015-07-09T16:55:08.228-04:00I've not ridden a 10 or 11. My question is- ho...I've not ridden a 10 or 11. My question is- how different is it from the half step?teamdarbhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10730985048207207697noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8492685525705691186.post-14628225395097104952015-07-09T12:31:57.569-04:002015-07-09T12:31:57.569-04:00Don't forget, as those cogs get thinner and th...Don't forget, as those cogs get thinner and thinner, so too must the chain. Before long, riders of the 10, 11, 12, etc. cogsets will have to swap out (expensive) chains every several hundred miles. <br />I ditched my only 10 speed cassette after one very meager season's use because I hated the fidgety indexing and over-priced chains. It all costs more, requires more vigilance, and doesn't get me anywhere different than my old-school setup. I "settled" for a 9 speed on that bike because I could make the friction shifters I had on-hand work with it. All of my other bikes that use cassettes have 8 speed clusters.<br /><br />I wish I could recall who's advice it is that rattles around in my head (likely Grant Peterson or Brandt), but the gist of it is: 5-8 gears is plenty, and you need to shift a lot less than you think you do. Just turn your legs quicker to go faster and slow them down to take a breath. When you see a hill, mash that lever into a suitably low gear and charge forward.<br /><br /><br />WolfN/Ahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14710395292374599493noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8492685525705691186.post-9935060725843914342015-07-09T00:54:13.529-04:002015-07-09T00:54:13.529-04:00I ride almost only fixed on the road, so I know ab...I ride almost only fixed on the road, so I know about getting by with just a few, but on the other hand my sole (at the moment) derailleur bike is a Fargo set up for a mix of sandy trail and pavement riding, and after riding it for a couple of years with a 3X7 (46/36/24 X 16-34) and finding that I was always shifting between the outer and middle on dirt, I switched to a 38/24 X 13-27 9 speed, friction shifted. I find that with this I get nice, small, even jumps in the cruising gears from about 60" to 75", but have a 84" "big" gear and a 25" bailout. I've been tempted to find a 10 speed innermost (dished) 28 so that I can add a 12 to the outside for a slightly higher big gear, and to try shifting this with the same (Silver bar end) shifters. The Silvers shift 9 wonderfully; I'll bet they'll do 10 just fine. When adding cogs requires friction, I'll bail.<br /><br />For that matter, before I sold my Rambouillet, I switched from a 44/30 14-24 7 to a 52/38 16-26 9, shifted very well in both cases with Silver dt shifters. But here, the only reason for going to a 9 was to get more or less the same jumps and range with a very, very pretty DA 7410 crank as with the earlier TA.Bertin753https://www.blogger.com/profile/02860648732848589740noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8492685525705691186.post-47734929616965392632015-07-08T22:57:28.680-04:002015-07-08T22:57:28.680-04:00I've done a careful analysis and determined th...I've done a careful analysis and determined that we will see 13 by 2030. <a href="http://onespeedgo.blogspot.com/2013/01/bicycle-sprocket-growth-13-by-2030.html" rel="nofollow">Bicycle sprocket growth rate projection.</a>John Romeo Alphahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01289456379789026152noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8492685525705691186.post-11013203614419879062015-07-08T22:02:02.889-04:002015-07-08T22:02:02.889-04:00You and me both. I remember when ANY bike with dro...You and me both. I remember when ANY bike with drop bars was a "ten speed," even if it was really just 5, or maybe 12. Brookshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12110998345857993287noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8492685525705691186.post-46630358962463872342015-07-08T21:00:38.648-04:002015-07-08T21:00:38.648-04:00I'm a dinosaur. When I hear "ten speed&q...I'm a dinosaur. When I hear "ten speed", I still think of the bikes we rode in the '70's.Justine Valinottihttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10852069587181432102noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8492685525705691186.post-24968546731808109932015-07-08T16:09:59.372-04:002015-07-08T16:09:59.372-04:00Actually - I can't believe I forgot about it w...Actually - I can't believe I forgot about it when I was writing this, but the new Specialized Tarmac does indeed come with 135 mm rear wheel spacing. Others won't be far behind - and then it's only a matter of time before we do see 12 cogs.Brookshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12110998345857993287noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8492685525705691186.post-30261676284493699792015-07-08T14:47:16.839-04:002015-07-08T14:47:16.839-04:00That's funny that he doesn't see 135 spaci...That's funny that he doesn't see 135 spacing happening soon, saying to just upgrade to 11 speed and not worry about 12 speeds on the horizon. But from what I've heard, with the push to road discs, we will see a plethora of 135mm rear OLD spaced bikes on the market – very soon. In which case the jump to 12 will not be far behind. So sounds to me like he's pushing to sell 11 speed upgrades and bikes, hoping to resell bikes when 135mm bikes, then 12 speed come out. Of course 135mm messes even more with chainline and actual usable gears, but when you have 24 to choose from – there should be a couple that work.GSorooshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07435807896023671557noreply@blogger.com