Such a puzzle. . .
Looking closely, you can see that the unit is marked "Taiwan" which gives a clue. Suntour was bought out and merged with SR and moved to Taiwan in the early '90s. Could this thing possibly have been made as recently as the 1990s? It sure doesn't look like it, but that's a pretty compelling piece of information.
From the way the derailleur is oriented, it really appeared to me that it was meant to be mounted below the chainstay, ahead of the rear dropout. In that way, it would have a very straight cable path (one can see a cable stop mounted on the far right side) and would move in a roughly horizontal path in front of the rear axle.
That kind of "backwards" orientation would not be unheard of for Suntour, which used a similar mounting location and orientation for its S-1 derailleur in the early '90s. As far as I know, that derailleur was standard equipment on only one bike, the 1993 Schwinn Criss Cross:
The S-1 was almost like an updated Nivex derailleur, which was a really sweet shifting unit from the late 1930s, and the grandfather of parallelogram derailleur designs. As I understand it, one of the benefits of this arrangement for Suntour was that it made the derailleur slightly less vulnerable to damage in the event of a fall or other accident because it didn't project outward as much as one mounted on the rear dropout. |
Another "backwards" facing derailleur, made by SR/Suntour, is the Dahon Neos, made for folding bikes. Again, the advantage is that it is slightly less vulnerable when the bike is folded up. |
Yet another clue comes from a fairly rare derailleur known as the Hole Shot:
I forwarded the photos of the mystery derailleur over to Michael Sweatman in the U.K., whose extensive derailleur collection is featured on the Disraeli Gears website. Though it isn't currently shown on the site, it turns out Sweatman has a nearly identical derailleur to Phil's mystery unit.
Sweatman confirmed for me my suspicion that the mystery derailleur was meant to be mounted below the chainstay, not unlike the S-1. He seemed to agree that the unit may have been meant for some folding bikes (probably really cheap, utilitarian ones). He also suggested it could have been for children's bikes. That makes a good deal of sense, and seems to match up to the 2-speed Hole Shot for BMX bikes.
Putting it all together, I think what we have here is the coelacanth of bicycle components: An anachronistic-looking no-frills stamped steel 2-speed derailleur; probably made either for children's bikes or utilitarian home-market folding bikes (or perhaps both); mounted under the chainstay ahead of the rear dropout; and made in the early '90s by Suntour shortly after being moved to Taiwan.
So, is the mystery solved? Well, not entirely. We still don't have a model name for it. And we can only make some educated guesses about its intended use. To me, though, the biggest unanswered question is why Suntour would still have been making something like this in the modern era - when it seems like such a step backwards?
The SunTour Hole Shot derailleur was a 2-speed unit made for BMX bikes in the early '80s. It mounted on the rear dropout, but hung down below and forward of the rear axle. There's no parallelogram here, just a sliding rod to move the cage from one cog to the other. |
Sweatman confirmed for me my suspicion that the mystery derailleur was meant to be mounted below the chainstay, not unlike the S-1. He seemed to agree that the unit may have been meant for some folding bikes (probably really cheap, utilitarian ones). He also suggested it could have been for children's bikes. That makes a good deal of sense, and seems to match up to the 2-speed Hole Shot for BMX bikes.
Putting it all together, I think what we have here is the coelacanth of bicycle components: An anachronistic-looking no-frills stamped steel 2-speed derailleur; probably made either for children's bikes or utilitarian home-market folding bikes (or perhaps both); mounted under the chainstay ahead of the rear dropout; and made in the early '90s by Suntour shortly after being moved to Taiwan.
So, is the mystery solved? Well, not entirely. We still don't have a model name for it. And we can only make some educated guesses about its intended use. To me, though, the biggest unanswered question is why Suntour would still have been making something like this in the modern era - when it seems like such a step backwards?
I think it's interesting that this derailleur is riveted together and you cant remove the pulleys. That makes me think it's a product from the period when SunTour was winding down or even after being bought out. I can't imagine the old SunTour making something disposable like that. Although the logo is a type I'm more used to seeing on their products in the late 70s/early 80s. Who knows?
ReplyDeleteThe Suntour Holeshot was a pretty cool piece of kit back in BMXs olden days. Easy to set up, tough as nails and better shifting than Shimano's dual chainring DX 2 speed. Lighter as well.
Anybody got an extra one?
Spindizzy
That derailleur really is an odd bird. As you, Retrogrouch, say, it probably wasn't made for export.
ReplyDeleteIt leads me to wonder whether there were, in the 1990s--or are now--a lot of utility or town/city bikes in Taiwan and other Asian countries that have chainstay-mounted rear derailleurs. There are still a pretty fair number of such bikes in Europe.
It also leads me to wonder whether there was an active BMX scene in those countries when the derailleur was made.
It must be pretty rare - at least outside of Asia. I'm told this one may end up on eBay - no telling how much it might go for.
DeleteThe chain stay mount may actually be pretty common in Asia. It remained popular on touring bikes long after racing bikes made dropout-mounted derailleurs the preferred choice - so who knows? On the other hand, internal gear hubs are also pretty popular (or so I assumed) so I'm not sure why someone would choose a 2 or 3 speed derailleur over an internal gear hub.
Price? A internal hub is probably more expensive than a simple derailleur.
DeleteIt's also easier to service.
Yes, that is true. And if it was meant to be used on BMX, you probably wouldn't want an internal gear hub. Still some unanswered questions. . .
DeleteI think if it was meant for BMX the shifter would have been more robust and made for fast aggressive use, that one looks more appropriate for relaxed shifting at a more casual pace. Plus the derailleur isn't powder coated candy apple red with stickers all over it.
DeleteBut maybe...
Spindizzy
Hi Brooks,
ReplyDeleteWhilst trawling the internet for something else, I spotted this image and it reminded me of your article. Looks like it's the same thing:
https://www.reddit.com/r/bicycling/comments/1gr72k/check_out_this_weird_3_speed_derailleur_that_came/
as far as the suntour s-1.does anyone have any breakdowns or websites on adjusting this?is it a one screw system like the shimano positron or am i missing something in my old age.
ReplyDeletederailleur is on an early 1990's schwinn crisscross